Troop 474 Frequently Asked Question (FAQs)
Most but not all of the question are answered in the Troop Orientation Packet (Skull and Crossbones), and most of this page is taken from there.
General Questions:
Outing Planning:
Gear:
Camping:
Secure a Registration form from one of the adult leaders. Registration fee is $7.00, adult leader fee is $7.00. Once a boy is registered initially, subsequent registration fees are paid by the troop. All merit badge counselors are required to be registered. There is no fee for registering merit badge counselors.
The troop updates the charter (the complete registration list) once each year. Our charter year runs from February 1 to January 31.
Boy's Life may be ordered at initial registration time. The cost is determined by the time remaining until charter expiration.
Troop meetings are held every Tuesday from 7:30 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. at St. James Episcopal Church located at 24447 94th Avenue South, Kent (map). From time to time, however, the troop may take field trips, have family picnics or go swimming.
The GPS coordinates for the church are 47-22.922N 122-13.003W
Each year in the early fall, the Scouts plan which activities will take place during the coming year. The troop year runs from September through August. The outings are listed on an annual schedule that is available at most meetings to both the parents and the boys.
In general, campouts are scheduled once or twice per month in the fall/winter and early spring. They happen more often in the late spring and summer. There may be several other day activities scheduled each month as well.
Each scout should attend at least 5 overnight outings per year.
2 THE BSA ORGANIZATION
The Boy Scouts of America defines a standard organization for the structure of the troop. Recommendations are also made for the organization of activities.
The troop committee is composed of the parents, the Scoutmaster and assistants, a representative of the sponsor (the church) and other interested parties (usually parents of boys who have gone through Scouting, and still want to participate).
The committee consists of: (see figure 1)
Figure 1
Committee organization
Committee meetings (often called Parent’s Meetings) are usually held once per month on a day and time selected by the committee. For the past several years this has been on the second Tuesday of each month at the same time the troop meets. During the months when there is a troop Court of Honor there is no Parent Meeting. Committee meetings can, however, be held at any time convenient for the attendees.
The business conducted usually centers around supporting the activities of the troop. Parents new to the troop will find this a good vehicle to voice their questions and concerns. All parents are expected to help in some way. This being the case, no one has too much to do, and committee members have fun, instead of feeling the entire burden of supporting the troop is placed on them.
The minutes of these meetings are available to all parents. If a spouse does not live at the same address as the scout and would like to receive a copy of the minutes please notify the Scoutmaster.
2.2 TROOP ORGANIZATION **
The troop is organized into units of boys called patrols. A typical patrol has 8 boys. Several patrols make up the troop (see figure 2).
In 1989, the BSA started a new way of handling 10 and 11 year old scouts when they join the troop. These scouts (usually Webelos) all join together into a patrol of other boys their age. They are counseled by a Troop Guide (an older scout appointed by the Scoutmaster) and an Assistant Scoutmaster.
Figure 2
Troop Organization
2.3 PATROL ORGANIZATION **
The patrol is the core group of scouting. Each patrol of 4 to 10 boys form a complete, independent group. The scouts work together, compete together, hike together and camp together.
It is the Patrol Leader’s responsibility to inform his patrol of all non-standard activities such as a meeting time or location change, if special activities are to take place or if patrol members are to bring something extra to a scout meeting.
New Scouts who join after having "bridged over" from Webelos form a "New Boy Patrol". Typically all members from a webelos den will be in the same patrol. Since optimal size is 8 boys, 2 dens may form one patrol.
The Scoutmaster appoints at least one Troop Guide to help the patrol learn the Patrol Method, planning menus, how to cook, etc.
The new boy patrol will elect a new patrol leader every month (usually at the end of the month so that he can be present at the PLC on the first Tuesday of the month to represent his patrol).
All patrols should have a Patrol Dad or Mom. Typically this is an ASM who will focus their attention on their patrol, help the Troop Guide out when necessary and help insure the Patrol Method is being followed.
The patrol method is the basis for meeting the three goals of scouting: building character, establishing citizenship and promoting fitness. The patrol method means that the patrol works together as an independent unit. Scouts hike, camp, cook and eat by the Patrol Method. The elected Patrol Leader facilitates his Patrol and insures they are ready for Troop activities. See the Boy Scout handbook for more details.
All Scouts are required to utilize the Buddy System during all Scouting activities and outings. No Scout should undertake any activity, or go anywhere, by himself. Additionally, adult leaders shall maintain two-deep leadership whenever possible. This is for the protection of the Scouts as well as the adult leaders.
In aquatic activities the buddies should be aware of each other at all times to prevent a drowning. During hiking and backpacking activities you should hike at least two scouts together, preferably four. This is incase one gets hurt one can stay with the hurt person and the other two can get help.
2.5 INSURANCE **
The Boy Scouts of America require each troop to have insurance (to access Council Camps). This is medical insurance that will append the scout family's insurance. In addition, the Chief Seattle Council has liability insurance for troop leaders.
Drivers of vehicles transporting scouts to/from outings are required to have minimum Washington State liability insurance ($50,000/100,000/50,000). Every parent will be expected to take their turn driving.
The mechanism to notify the Boy Scouts of America (Chief Seattle Council) of any planned troop outing is the tour permit. The "Tour Leader" is required to fill out this form and send it, deliver it, or fax it to the Scout Office and receive reply prior to leaving:
Chief Seattle Council
3120 Rainier Ave. S.
Seattle, WA 98144-6095
Phone # (206) 725-5200
Fax # (206) 725-2862
This accomplishes two things: 1) it provides additional insurance for the troop outing (as well as covering the leaders with liability insurance) and, 2) provides the BSA with a basis for recording actual nights of camping. The tour permit is also a way to ensure that there are at least two adults on every outing (one 21 or older, the other 18 or older). The tour permit tells where the outing will take place, how long, etc. For week long outings, it will give a schedule of the PLANNED campsites each day. Thus, it can be a source of information to parents should an emergency arise.
2.7 PERMISSION SLIPS **
BSA requires a permission slip to be filled out for each boy for each outing.
2.8 MEDICAL CLEARANCE FORMS **
Some outings may require additional medical clearance from your physician. You will be informed if additional medical clearance is needed for either you or your son to participate.
Physicals are require for outings over 72 hours. There are three types of physicals, Class I, Class II and Class III.
Class I physicals
Class II physicals are required every 36 months for any activity such as backpacking, tour camping, or recreational sports involving events longer than 72 consecutive hours, with level of activity similar to that at home or school. Medical care is readily available.
Class III physicals are required within the past 12 months for high-adventure activities, athletic competition, and world jamborees
BSA ensures the safety of participating youth and adults by establishing the following guideline:
No fewer than four individuals may go on any outing, two of which must be adults (one adult must be BSA registered and over 21).
An annual youth protection training is provided to both scouts and adults in the troop.
The Scout Shop is a good place to purchase uniforms, accessories, Merit Badge books, memorabilia and camping gear (that would not otherwise be purchased at a sporting goods store such as REI). The Chief Seattle Council Scout Shop is located in South Seattle (by Franklin High School) at:
3120 Rainier Ave. S.
Seattle, WA 98144-6095
Phone (206) 721-5945 (M-F 8:30-6, Sat 10-3)
Essentially, the same things can be purchased in Tacoma at the Pacific Harbor Council Scout Shop located just off of Hwy. 16 from the Union Ave. exit:
1722 S. Union Ave.
Tacoma, WA 98405
Phone (253) 752-7731 (M-F 8:30-5, Sat. 10-2)
3 TROOP 474 ORGANIZATION
3.1 TROOP RULES **
PLEASE REVIEW THESE RULES WITH YOUR SON:
Each and every scout is expected to live up to the ideals of Scouting in order to achieve the aims of the program. The following may be obvious but will be restated here:
1. Swearing and using God’s name in vain is not allowed.
2. Lying, stealing, cheating is forbidden.
3. "Sheath Knives" - knives that don’t fold into themselves may not be used except by special permission of the Scoutmaster (typically 14 years old, First Class Scout).
4. When hiking:
- stay on trail - don’t "cut" switchbacks.
- stop at every intersection and wait for the group to assemble.
- never pass the designated leader (an older scout assigned by the tour leader).
- hike until the group stops - don’t take breaks independently.
- the leader will stop every hour for a five-minute rest and wait for the entire group to assemble.
- groups must be no smaller than two.
5. When camping:
- don’t "trench" tents.
- cut no live trees, branches, bushes, shrubs nor carve, score or otherwise destroy vegetation.
- camp at least 100 feet from lakes, streams, etc.
- never wash/rinse dishes in lakes, streams, etc.
- keep all soap at least 200 feet from lakes, streams, etc.
- use only existing fire pit - make no new pits.
- leave no litter (even if the site had litter upon arrival).
- bury human waste at least 6 inches deep and 200 feet from water.
- don’t bury garbage, litter, extra food, etc.
6. Scouts should regularly attend meetings. If prolonged absence is anticipated (going away for the summer, etc.), notify Scoutmaster.
7. Scouts must attend at least five outings each year. Only under special circumstances will less participation be acceptable. The troop typically offers 50 to 60 nights of camping each year.
8. Scouts must attend a regular outing prior to attending a "snow" outing (snowshoe or igloo).
9. Friends, brothers & sisters, parents must make prior arrangements to attend outings. If they just "show-up" on the day of the outing (with no prior notification) they will be left behind. Prior notification means telling the Scoutmaster or tour leader.
10. Failing to attend the outing (after committing to do so) does not cancel the obligation of the scout to pay for food that was purchased for him. Notify the Scoutmaster or Tour Leader if there is to be a "no show".
11. Be prompt for meetings.
12. Be prompt in arrival for outings or call Scoutmaster to notify him that you are going to be a little late.
Woodcutting activities generate the money necessary to operate the troop generally with a time commitment of two Saturdays per year. The following guidelines apply:
1. In addition to other service and fund raising activities which may occur throughout the year, each scout is expected to contribute a minimum of 16 hours of woodcutting (family members always welcome to participate!)
2. Each scout will be assessed a refundable fee per calendar year (January 1 - December 31). This is calculated each year depending on the anticipated expenses. Typically $25-$35 each.
3. The assessment can be refunded in the following manner:
3.3 PATROL LEADER'S COUNCIL (PLC)**
The PLC meets the first Tuesday of every month at 6:30 p.m. prior to the troop meeting. It consists of the Senior Patrol Leader (SPL), Assistant Senior Patrol Leader (ASPL), other troop leaders and patrol leaders. The PLC is responsible for running the troop with adult intervention as needed. All elected troop and patrol leaders are required to attend the monthly PLC meetings, however, all boys are welcome to participate.
The PLC plans and conducts the weekly troop meetings and is ultimately responsible for planning the yearly schedule of activities.
3.3.1 ELECTIONS
The SPL is elected by the boys of the troop. The ASPL is chosen by the SPL. Elections are held periodically at the discretion of the Scoutmaster
Each patrol elects their own Patrol Leader. This boy represents the patrol at the PLC. The Patrol Leader selects an Assistant Patrol Leader and assigns other duties within the patrol (see figure 2).
The Court of Honor is a ceremony conducted by the boys where they receive official recognition for their achievements. These include rank advancement, merit badges, segments for certain participation and other awards and badges. Parents and families are encouraged to attend this function. Both scouts and their parents are honored for rank advancement.
The Court of Honor is usually preceded by a potluck dinner at 6:30 p.m. Each family should bring either a main dish and a salad, a main dish and a dessert, or a main dish and a bread/appetizer. Please bring your own plates, napkins, utensils, etc. The ceremony commences at 7:30 p.m.
The troop typically conducts a Court of Honor four times per year. Dates are provided in the troop schedule.
When a scout receives the rank of Eagle, he and his parents are recognized at a separate Eagle Scout Court of Honor - held only for that scout.
3.4.1 PLANNING THE COURT OF HONOR
If your son has been asked / volunteered to conduct the Court of Honor, read this section.
Typically, the boys’ parents help the scout in setting up and planning the Court of Honor. The Troop Advancement Chairman will play a major role in assisting you. The Court of Honor planning should start about 2-4 weeks prior to the event. Check with the Scoutmaster to see if a guest speaker is needed and then secure if necessary. The speaker should have a presentation of interest to the entire audience and the topic need not be related to scouting. Some speakers from past Courts of Honor are: paramedics, Forest Service Rangers, Order of the Arrow Dance Team, Gun Club Presidents, city Mayor, School Board members, Bird Clubs (Hawks), woodcarvers, video tape of World Jamboree, computer store owners, etc.
The troop advancement chairman will provide a sample program and agenda. The scout conducting the Court of Honor needs to prepare the printed program and ensure that ample programs are available at the ceremony. In advance, the scout should ask parents to present the awards, boys to conduct the various ceremonies (flag, candle, etc.), and boys to report on the various activities that have transpired since the last Court of Honor. He and/or his parents should also ensure that coffee is made and that there is a "children's drink" (typically fruit drink from McDonald's - reserve yellow container well in advance). The troop will reimburse the scout/parents for incidental expenses. The Troop Advancement Chairman is responsible for detailing the advancements to be presented as well as securing the necessary badges/awards. The scout should make sure the room and kitchen are cleaned up at the end of the event.
3.5 TROOP AWARDS
From time to time, certain special awards may be presented:
3.5.1 Tidy Camper Award
The Tidy Camper Award is a special recognition for scouts in Troop 474. It is not an official BSA award and cannot be worn on the scout uniform. This award can only be earned while backpacking. To earn the tidy camper award, every member of the patrol must have a "perfect" campsite for the entire duration of the outing. A "perfect" campsite is defined as one with absolutely no litter at any time during the outing, meals cooked properly, dishes washed properly, gear always in order.
The intent of this award is to promote camping excellence. If the patrol wants to "earn" this award, they should notify the Scoutmaster at the beginning of the outing. He is the only leader who can award it.
3.5.Honor Patrol
The "Honor Patrol" is a plaque that may be awarded at the quarterly Court of Honor to a patrol if it has shown exemplary patrol cohesiveness. The potential patrol would regularly hold patrol meetings, each member would have an assigned task (grubmaster, hikemaster, assistant patrol leader, patrol leader, etc.) and would work well as a group. A patrol who was awarded this honor would be found as one of the outstanding patrols at the district camporee. They would be holding their own hikes and members would be quickly advancing. This award is also a "troop only" award.
3.5.3 Camp in the Rain Award
While if often might drizzle or rain on an outing, occasionally, it will POUR. For those rare instances, the "DON'T COMPLAIN, CAMP IN THE RAIN" award might be presented.
This award is also a "troop only" award
The official troop uniform is a short sleeve shirt, short pants, knee socks, and neckerchief. Scouts receive the official silk-screened Troop neckerchief when obtaining the rank of Tenderfoot or when earning their first rank advancement / merit badge is transferring from another troop.
Uniforms MUST be worn to all scout meetings. Uniforms should also be worn to Summer Camp, Camporee, and other activities where the scout is in public.
Uniforms can be purchased from the Scout Shop (see section 2.10). The troop often has a supply of uniforms to be used at no cost, contact the Uniform Chairman for more information.
3.7 SCOUT LINE **
(253) 639-9563. The Troop provides a recorded message of upcoming scout outings and pertinent information that can accessed 24 hours a day.
3.8 FOLDERS **
Each family has a folder in the file box usually found on the back table at troop meetings. Announcements, schedules, Parent Meeting minutes, etc. are made available to parents via the folders.
3.9 ROSTER / PHONE LIST **
Current boy and adult leader rosters are updated regularly and are placed in the folders. Extra copies are usually available at troop meetings.
3.10 OUTING SIGN-UP BOOK **
Boys and adults sign up to attend outings in a 3-ring binder usually found on the back table at troop meetings. Each outing is listed by month and is found under the corresponding tab in the binder. Boys should be signed up to attend outings no later than the Tuesday night before the weekend outing, however, some outings have group size limitations - first come, first served. Please cross off your name if you find you are unable to attend.
3.11 PERMISSION SLIPS **
Once again, a permission slip is required for each boy for each outing. These are usually available the Tuesday prior to the outing or at the time you drop your boy off. If you will not be dropping off your boy, be sure you have filled out a permission slip ahead of time. ANY BOY WITHOUT A SIGNED PERMISSION SLIP WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND THE OUTING.
3.12 EMERGENCIES
YOU MUST NOTIFY THE TOUR LEADER EACH AND EVERY TIME YOUR SON ATTENDS AN OUTING if your son has any special medical problems (asthma, hypoglycemia, etc.) or requires special medication,
All medications should be given to the Tour Leader at the beginning of each outing.
Several of the adult leaders have advanced first aid and CPR certificates.
Parents are invited to attend any outing. Almost all outings are manageable for an 11 year old, certainly parents can do them. (One exception is the mountain climbing program see section 4.20). Parents should tell the Tour Leader if they plan to attend. Your other children may also attend (but only with you) - please check with the Tour Leader before bringing them so that you know what difficulty to expect, and so that the tour leader knows how many drivers/riders to plan for. Mothers have often attended without their spouses (and occasionally without their son). The "Igloo" outing, for example, is one of the most popular outings.
Parents are discouraged from eating with their sons as the scouts are encouraged to practice the Patrol Method". Parents usually camp and eat together. The only exception is the Senior Patrol Leader who often eats with the Scoutmaster / Tour Leader. The parents usually practice the Patrol Method as well by assigning a for the outing and sharing such duties as waterman, fire builder or stove-starter, cook, dishwasher, etc. just as the scouts are expected to do.
Please leave your pets at home.
3.13.1 Parent Participation Credits
When looking at the "days & nights" camping records published periodically, you might see a number such as "78.034". What does this mean?
The primary number "78" indicates the scout has accumulated 78 nights of camping. Only actual nights count, day activities are recorded for participation but do not count as "nights of camping". So every night of camping accumulates a "1". ".034" indicates the . The purpose of this is to show Parent Participation (and therefore support) in scouting activities. The system works roughly like this:
.01 for driving (only) to/from an outing
.01 for a day activity (hike, wood cutting)
.02 per night spent with the troop
.02 for long drives (>4 hrs one way)
The purpose of this credit system is to show at a glance which parents actively participate and support scouting - and which don't. While the system isn't perfect - it is a good indicator. "64.082" shows a strong commitment by the parent(s). "32.016" is good, while "78.002" probably shows the parent(s) are expecting to get something out of the program without putting anything into it (although there are exceptions).
All parents, and especially those who hold leadership positions in the troop, are encouraged to attend the Basic Leader Training Course offered by the Council twice yearly. The best way to understand what your boy will be going through is to experience it yourself. This course will provide you the opportunity to learn and experience the Boy Scout program first hand.
3.14 Advancement
Ranks are outlined in the Scout Handbook.
In general, new Scouts should focus their attention on earning Tenderfoot, Second Class and First Class.
Once they are First Class, Scouts should start investigating the merit badge program. (There are often "merit badge" clinics and opportunities to earn merit badges at summer camp. Don’t miss these opportunities. The point is that new Scouts typically need to earn the first 3 ranks first, and then work on merit badges.)
The process is:
4 OUTING EXPLANATIONS
Below is a list of many of the "typical" outings:
4.1 CAR CAMP:
Car Camp means drive in and set up camp - no backpacking.
4.2 HIKE:
Overnight. Usually 3-8 mile backpacking trip. Standard backpacking gear required, see section 6.1.
4.3 BIKE TRIP:
Boys bike 5 - 25 miles. Helmets required. Gear is put in trucks/cars and delivered to campsite. Overnight outing.
4.4 MT. SI:
Day hike up Mt. Si near North Bend. About 3500' gain in about 4 miles. Bring rain gear, sack lunch and water.
4.5 WOOD CUTTING:
Day activity. Cut cordwood for troop moneymaker. Bring/wear work clothes, gloves, rain gear, sack lunch, water, tools. Family activity.
4.6 SCOUTING FOR FOOD:
Day activity, (two Saturdays). First week, distribution of bags and second week, pick up of food. Wear Scout uniform. Parents needed to drive.
4.7 ELK FEED:
Car Camp. As many as 5000 elk come down out of the mountains during heavy snows and are fed by the Dept. of Wildlife. Scouts get to ride on the hay truck and feed the animals. Sometimes there are big horn sheep and deer. Sleeping arrangements announced.
4.8 MOUNTAINEERS LODGE:
Ski lodge owned by Mountaineers, on the east side of Snoqualmie pass, which we rent Friday night and Saturday. Each attendee pays a fee. Access to night skiing and sledding area. Rustic cabin with room for about 80-100. A large snowcat takes us in. Those who can ski are towed by a long rope behind the snowcat. Others ride. This is a family activity. We cook for the whole group in their kitchen.
4.9 IGLOO:
Backpacking trip. Troop hikes in less than one mile and builds igloos and sleeps in them overnight. This can't be the boy's first backpacking trip. Usually held at Paradise on Mt. Rainier. Drivers must have chains in their vehicle. Popular outing. Families can spend the night if they are fully equipped, or they may come up for the day. Special gear required, see section 6.2.
4.10 SNOWSHOE:
Backpack trip, usually for older boys. Troop hikes with snowshoes a few miles. Tent camp. This can't be the boy's first backpacking trip. Special gear required, see section 6.2.
4.11 SURVIVAL HIKE:
Overnight backpacking trip. Outing in conjunction with Wilderness Survival Merit Badge.
4.12 COUNCIL CAMPING SEMINAR:
An all day seminar on how to plan and conduct a week long outing. Leadership and Patrol Leaders invited/encouraged to attend. Others (parents included) always welcome. Fee.
4.13 CLAIMS NIGHT:
At council office. Stake our claim for summer camp, date and campsite. At least one adult needed to attend. SPL welcome but scout attendance not necessary
4.14 SCOUT EXPO:
Troop sets up a booth showing some scout craft or skill. Day activity.
4.15 50 MILE CANOE TRIP:
Week long outing on a river and / or lake. Gear in canoe. Camp in sites along the way. May be more than 50 miles.
4.16 CAMPOREE:
All troops in Green River District (Kent, Renton) car camp and compete in scout skills. Each year the Green River District conducts an outing where each patrol competes in games and contests (the Camporee). This is an excellent opportunity for your scout and his patrol to show off their skills. Usually parents are invited to view the games, contests, and campfire (and of course - camp with the troop).
4.17 SUMMER CAMP:
Each summer, the troop participates in Summer Camp. This is a week long encampment usually at one of the local Council Camps (Camp Parsons on Hoods Canal, Camp Brinkley near Monroe, sometimes Camp Shepherd between Greenwater and Crystal Mountain Ski Resort). Sometimes other Council Camps are used. Usually held in July or August. This is not a hiking trip, it's much more "plush". Usually cabins with bunk beds are provided; cooking is done by the Camp Staff. The main purpose of summer camp is for the boys to earn Merit Badges, to have fun and participate in swimming, archery, rifle range, etc.
The fee for summer camp is about $150 (1998). The troop and the council have financial assistance available. No boy should miss out on an outing if the only reason is that he (his family) doesn't have the money (this goes for all outings). The money is available, but it won't appear unless the Scoutmaster, the Committee Chairman, the Treasurer or someone knows about it. Please ask.
Two adults are required to be in attendance. There is no fee for the adults. If you would like to attend summer camp, please contact the Scoutmaster or the Camping Chairman.
4.18 TIKE HIKE:
A 4-5 day hike offered to new boys of the troop to give them a concentrated opportunity to develop scout skills and work towards First Class rank advancement. See gear list section 6.1.
Week long hike in the Cascades, Olympics, etc. Backpack. Must have done several preparation hikes. Typically 6-10 miles per day. Parents often attend, as do some families. The hike may be more than 50 miles.
The "50 Miler" is the best activity the troop conducts to build scouting skills. Weekend outings, summer camp and day hikes are valuable, but for most boys, the "50 Miler" is the premier activity of the year. Every boy should eagerly anticipate this activity. For parents it has proven to be an equally exciting experience. Many call it "relaxing" - the biggest decisions to be made are where to put the tent and what to cook for dinner, a welcome change from the pressures of daily living and hectic careers.
Each year the troop participates in a "50 Miler". "50 Miler" is a generic term referring to an outing where 50 miles are hiked or paddled over a period of at least 5 days and 4 nights. For the past dozen years, the troop has been hiking popular loops in the Olympics or hiking sections of the Pacific Crest Trail in the Cascades. As stated earlier, 50 Miler is generic to mean any hike that covers at least 50 miles. However, since pickup spots are never exactly 50 miles from where the trail starts, "50 Milers" range from 50 to 80 miles in length taking from 6 to 8 days.
Nearly anyone can participate in a 50 Miler: 11 year old boys, 55 year old parents, even families (but no pets please). Prior to the 50 miler, several conditioning hikes are required. Usually, there are 4 or 5 offered (2 overnights, 2 or 3 day hikes). You should expect to attend at least 1 overnight and depending on conditioning, 1 or 2 of the day hikes. The more out of shape, the more outings should be planned for.
Boys cook and eat by the Patrol Method. Reasonable menus can be planned for $35-$50 per person per week. It is not necessary to purchase freeze dried food for the entire week. Menu planning is usually done by the older boys.
A "Pack Inspection" is conducted by the Scoutmaster prior to the outing. Packs should be between 1/4 and 1/3 the weight of the scout (less the first day's food). For a 120 lb. boy, his backpack should not exceed 40 lbs. More is not better.
Typical distances are 6 to 10 miles per day (only rarely more than 12) and usually less than 3000' elevation gain per day (only rarely more than 4000'). Usually on the trail between 8 to 8:30, lunch at noon, in camp between 2:00 and 4:30. Time for looking, photography, wading in mountain lakes, watching the wildlife.
Special gear required, see section 6.3.
Climb of a major peak (Mt. Baker, Mt. Adams, Mt. Rainier, etc.). Restricted attendance.
4.20.1 Scope
The reason for conducting training in mountain climbing is to maintain the interest of the older scouts and to provide an activity that these scouts find challenging. While some skills that could be used for rock climbing are taught (belaying and rappelling) the climbing is focused on glacier travel. The successful scout will have developed a high level of fitness, climbed two major peaks (usually includes Mt. Rainier), and developed through this process an understanding of his own limits thus raising his confidence and self esteem. Finally, if that's not reason enough, it's a shame to live so close to such an incredible mountain (Mt. Rainier) and never climb it.
4.20.2 Who May Participate
There is no age restriction although usually it will be scouts over 14. In order to participate, every candidate must prove to the climbing leaders they have achieved a minimum level of fitness (described below in Section 4.20.3). Preference is then given in the following order:
It is not the scope of this activity to instruct and guide friends and neighbors to the summit or Rainier. Don't ask.
4.20.3 Training
After many years of observing teenagers, it can be categorically stated that no matter what medal they won in the state track meet, or how good they were on the high school soccer team, they are not in good enough shape to comfortably climb Mt. Rainier. To comfortably climb at a rate of 1000 vertical feet per hour, hour after hour requires the climber to have the fitness equivalent to completing a marathon in around three hours. Climbing requires a commitment to training. Many climb with other groups who are not in proper physical condition. They put the safety of their entire group at risk.
4.20.4
Some yardsticks to measure yourself:
Special gear required, see section 6.4.
4.21 Super Outings
Every few years the troop undertakes a "Super Outing". These have included
5 CAMPOUTS
The location of the outing is planned by the adult leaders, the boy leaders or both. The designated "Tour Leader" has veto power (and often has "suggestions" for suitable locations). While it isn't always practical, the troop tries to pick "new" locations for each outing. Campouts are scheduled once or twice per month in the fall/winter and early spring. They happen more often in the late spring and summer.
A "typical" outing would start by being scheduled by the PLC (Patrol Leader's Council) in August (of each year). Most of the outings for the year can be found on the "troop schedule" which runs from September to August. The outing is discussed by the leaders at the Parent’s Committee meeting at which time the parents can get further details about the outing.
To develop leadership skills of the boy leaders, they are assigned as much responsibility as they can handle. The boys may orchestrate the entire outing, or may only pick the "type" of outing, with the remaining details determined by the adult leaders. It is dependent on the stage of development of the members of the PLC.
5.2 PACK INSPECTION **
Particular outings require special equipment and thus a "pack inspection" is necessary. This usually happens the Wednesday or Thursday prior to the outing.
5.3 PATROL GEAR **
Prior to an outing, each patrol leader should make sure that the patrol is equipped with enough tents (see Appendix L) for everyone to sleep in, a "dining fly" (a lightweight tarp - usually nylon under which to eat while it's raining), one or two cooking stoves, cooking pots/pans, and other items as a particular outing necessitates.
On the Tuesday before the outing, the scout should have decided if he will attend the outing (parents should also know if they will attend, drive to/from, etc.). At the Tuesday meeting prior to the outing, scouts from each patrol will select a "grubmaster" to purchase the food and the patrol plans a menu.
Each boy is responsible to pay for his share of the grub, typically $4-$7 per weekend outing. When you drop your son off for an outing, be prepared to pay the grubmaster for the food! If your son commits to attending the outing, and then withdraws after the food has been purchased, you are still responsible to pay for your son's share of the food costs.
It is inconsiderate to expect the grubmaster (or his family) to pay for the food because your son failed to attend. In the same manner, it is unacceptable to call the grubmaster Friday night before the outing and inform him that your son has decided to attend (also, there may be no "extra" seats for unplanned scouts - or brothers, friends, etc.).
If it is your son’s turn to be the grubmaster, please read this section:
Most new scouts will need some guidance from a parent the first few times they are grubmaster. Your son should come home with a list of menus and he will most likely need some help to determine appropriate portions and to shop for the food. But please keep your help to a minimum as this is a learning experience for the entire patrol.
The grubmaster also needs to consider and obtain cooking utensils, pots/pans and seasonings/ condiments that will be needed to prepare and enjoy the food.
The grubmaster is ultimately responsible for collecting money for the food costs. An organized grubmaster may want to call his patrol members before the outing to let them know how much money to bring.
5.5 MONEY **
Other than food, there are usually no other expenses for outings, however, it is always wise to send you son with a few dollars for that occasional stop for fast food on the way home.
5.6 MEETING PLACE **
The "typical" outing will leave Mr. Brooten’s house, either Friday early evening or Saturday morning. The key word here is LEAVE. You should plan to arrive at the meeting spot ten minutes prior to the departure time. If you are driving, fill your car with gas prior to arriving. It is quite inconsiderate to have 20 or 30 boys and adults waiting for that last boy (or driver) to show. Please call even if you will be a few minutes late.
BE ON TIME!!!
5.7 DRIVING **
Every parent is expected to do his/her fair share in supporting the troop. You will often be asked to drive (see also "insurance" section 2.6). As a general guideline, if your car holds four boys (in addition to yourself) you should expect to drive every other outing (either deliver or pick up). Please note, BSA requires every passenger to have a seat belt (and use them). Please ensure that your passengers are "buckled up". If your spouse wants to come along for the ride, and you can only hold 2 scouts, you should plan to drive every time (up or back).
The troop will reimburse you for gas if you so desire. Please submit the receipt to the Troop Treasurer prior to/at the Parents Committee meeting. As of this writing (1998) the IRS allows $0.12 per mile deduction (if you itemize) while driving on outings (sorry, to/from meetings doesn't count).
It is the intent to plan outings so that the distance to pick-up/deliver does not require an extraordinary amount of time, however, it's also difficult to plan an outing with less than two hours each way.
5.8 SETTING UP CAMP **
Scouts will camp, cook and conduct themselves by the "Patrol Method". Each patrol camps within the troop area, but apart enough to be a separate group. The days of "cutting bough beds", "trenching tents" and "making lean-to's" are gone forever. Creating new campsites is almost always forbidden. If fires are allowed, they can only be built in existing fire pits, no new ones are to be established. Campsites are usually located at least 100 feet from the water (lake, creek, river, etc.).
5.9 RETURNING **
At the time you drop off your son for an outing, you should ask the Tour Leader about the expected return time. Plan to pick up your son at Mr. Brooten’s house unless otherwise informed. Boys typically call home upon return. If times change drastically, a contact person will be informed.
6.1 TYPICAL CAMP LIST **
Below is a list of gear required for a typical backpack or car camp outing:
The Scout uniform may be required for some outings (when in public).
6.2 WINTER CAMPING LIST **
For winter outings, in addition to the "typical camp list", the following is mandatory:
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* A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE SCOUTMASTER *
The above requirements are not negotiable. I have learned by experience that wool/PF MUST be worn to insure the health and safety of your son.
Your son MUST HAVE WOOL/POLAR FLEECE CLOTHES TO ATTEND THE WINTER OUTINGS, THE 50 MILER AND ANY CLIMB.
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6.3 THE 50 MILER LIST **
Personal Equipment
Patrol Equipment:
Optional Personal equipment:
Optional Patrol Equipment:
Don't Bring:
radio / tape player / walkman / fireworks
6.4 CLIMBING GEAR LIST **
The typical gear required for a climb (in addition to standard camping gear - Section 6.1) is:
In addition the climber may want:
Boots are essential items and care should be taken to find a pair that will be adequate for the anticipated activities. Parents may be reluctant to purchase "good" boots in anticipation of their son growing out of them the following year. This is a valid concern, nevertheless, "good" boots are necessary to the safety and comfort of your son. In only rare cases will "tennis shoes" be allowed (or adequate).
The troop has a supply of boots that are available for use (or sometimes for purchase - depending on the circumstances). Usually, they are of good quality and are donated to the troop when their owner’s feet no longer fit. These boots are usually free with the understanding that they will be returned to the troop when they are no longer needed. Contact the Uniform Chairman for more information.
A second alternative to purchasing new boots is to purchase used boots (no surprise there). REI (see phone book for listing of stores nearby) has a supply of used boots. The advantage of securing used boots is that they are already "broken in" and they typically will conform to the foot faster than "new" boots (or perhaps it is more accurate to say that the foot will conform faster to the boot). Once the scout has attained his maximum height, his foot size probably won't change and it's time to consider purchasing "new" boots. In 1998, a good pair of new boots ranged in cost from $100 (on sale) to >$200.
At the end of this booklet is additional information on boots published by REI (see appendix D). Rather than being redundant, this section will only point out the salient topics.
Rubber boots ("insulated rubber boots") are not adequate - they have little or no support and are unacceptable except to be used as extra weight when conditioning on Mt. Si.
"Work boot" (high top leather boots from Redwing, etc.) may be acceptable foot support for most hikes. Older scouts may be carrying as much as 65 pounds in their packs, in this case, the side support to the ankles offered by this soft leather won't do. Work boots are unacceptable for use with crampons (while mountain climbing - see section 6.4).
"Climbing boots" (either leather or plastic) offer excellent support (both arch and ankle), and are quite acceptable for both hiking and climbing. "3/4 steel shank" is preferred over "full shank". If the parent can afford this type of boot for each iteration, they should purchase these.
6.5.1 Fitting:
Boots are usually worn with two pair of socks (typically a polypropylene first sock and a wool outer sock). Clearly, boots should be fitted with two pair of socks. Climbing boots should fit so that when they are on (and tied) the toe does not rub against the end of the boot. This can be tested by standing on a steep incline (such as is available on a shoe fitters stool) and trying to "push" the toes to the end of the boot with one's weight. The heel should be tight enough not to rub on the heel of the boot. Don't buy boots that the scout will "grow into and have room for next year". Serious blisters and discomfort will result from improperly fitting boots.
All leather boots should be sealed. Waterproof boots mean dry feet, dry feet mean warm feet, warm feet make happy campers. Cold feet are simply miserable. Cold wet feet lead to cold wet feet with blisters which are VERY miserable. Much attention must be paid to making the leather waterproof. Waterproofing starts at the "Welt" or the seam that joins the upper part of the boot to the sole. Welt sealer penetrates the stitching. It is typically the consistency of nail polish (but not nearly so brittle). It is effective only if applied before any other sealer to new boots.
"Spray Silicon" has been found to be nearly useless in waterproofing the leather. This leaves two types of sealers: oil-based and wax-based. Oil-based sealant ("Hubbard Boot Grease") should only be used on leather finished with an oil-based tanning process (most these days are wax-based). Putting an oil- based sealant on wax-based leather may cause the leather to stretch (sometimes a lot). REI sells a wax- based sealant ("Snowseal") that is quite adequate. Several other types are available (and also more expensive e.g. "mink oil").
To put the sealer on requires time and patience (failing to put it on with time and patience probably will result in wet feet). The method that seems to work the best is as follows:
Experience with hundreds of boys with wet feet has proven that waxing the boots only a few times is not adequate. Experience with hundreds of boys has also proven that they don't believe the above statement until they have had cold wet feet from only a few applications. This observation is offered free of charge in the comfort of your own home. The scout may have a different observation during an outing depending on the time and patience used in preparing his boots.
6.6 WOOL / POLAR FLEECE (PF)**
Wool and PF are the only fibers that continue to insulate when wet. Cotton, when wet, causes the body to loose heat at a rate 30 times that of bare skin. Consequently, wool/PF clothing is required for all winter outings, for the "50 Miler" and for all climbing. Experienced scouts will bring wool/PF clothes on a regular outing over any other type.
So where can you get wool/PF clothes? Camping stores like REI carry a fair selection of wool/PF clothes. They have an excellent selection for older boys and adults but only a fair selection for 11 year old boys.
One suggestion is to try women's size small or extra small. "Army Surplus" and "Navy Surplus" stores also have a good selection (again for adult sizes) and are usually considerably less expensive. There are several "Thrift" stores, St. Vincent DePaul stores, and second hand stores where high quality (Pendleton shirts, etc.) can be purchased for only a few dollars.
You will not find wool/PF clothes at these "Thrift" stores if you start looking the Thursday before the campout. You should start looking months in advance.
Another alternative is to sew wool/PF clothes using a conventional pattern (it is suggested that you use nylon instead of cotton for the pockets, facing and waistband). You might borrow wool/PF clothes from the older scouts. Finally, the troop Uniform Chairman may have a selection of wool/PF clothes.
6.7 RAINGEAR **
Rain Gear is mandatory for all outings.
Rain Gear is defined as a WATERPROOF jacket and WATERPROOF pants. A poncho is unacceptable. Plastic rain gear is inadequate (clear plastic "hunter's rain gear").
WATERPROOF is defined as the ability to permanently shed water.
A good test is to stand in the shower wearing the rain gear over a cotton shirt. If after 20 minutes, the cotton shirt is wet, the rain gear isn't waterproof. Nylon jackets are seldom waterproof.
Good rain gear can be purchased from REI for about $20 per piece. This is a reasonable cloth backed vinyl material with some durability that is still flexible when cold. Excellent rain gear can be purchased for around $200 (Gortex). Coated rip-stop nylon is a very good compromise, comfortable, durable and at a cost of about $40 (watch the newspaper for sales). (Appendix I at the end of this booklet offers additional information on backpacks).
6.8 BACKPACK **
A good backpack is essential for comfort while hiking. Care should be taken in backpack selection.
A common mistake is not with the pack, but with the choice of hip belts. There are two common types:
Style #2 evenly distributes the weight of the pack onto the hips. Style #1 is cheap and ineffective. Any salesperson that would sell you such a pack is ignorant of what is required.
The REI "Long Trail" is probably the best choice for a first backpack. Don't try to pick it out yourself, ask a salesperson for help. The backpack must be "Fit". (the REI salespeople are competent and won't sell you junk). (Appendix E at the end of this booklet offers additional information on backpacks).
6.19 SLEEPING BAG **
Sleeping bags come in a wide variety of styles and types. Typically, each scout will need a "4 Season" bag (i.e. usable 4 seasons of the year). Bags are rated for a minimum temperature. Unfortunately, this rating does not take into account the metabolism of the scout. One scout in a -10 degree bag may still be cold at +15 weather while another may be comfortable at +10 degrees with a +20 degree bag. (Appendix F provides additional information of sleeping bag selection.)
6.11 SLEEPING PAD **
In order to insulate the scout from the ground, a sleeping pad is necessary. Listed below are several types of sleeping pads.
The main purpose of the pad is insulation, the secondary purpose is padding. Consequently, closed cell foam is more than adequate for most scouts.
Adults may wish to consider a "Therm-a-rest" that also provides for extra comfort - the ground seems to get harder as one gets older. Foam rubber is not advised as it acts as a sponge, soaking up water, getting the sleeping bag wet which results in a cold wet scout.
Air mattresses don't provide very good insulation but do provide good padding. An air mattress that won't leak is both heavy and expensive. Most experienced scouts find an air mattress unreliable.
Cots will find little use while backpacking.
(Appendix F provides additional information of sleeping bag selection.)
6.12 STOVES **
Most cooking is done utilizing a backpacking stove and there are several types available. Eventually each scout should have his own stove but, since they can be expensive, parents may want to consider giving them as gifts for birthdays or Christmas. Appendix G provides a great deal of additional information and should be consulted prior to purchasing a stove.
6.14 FIRST AID KIT **
Each scout should carry a personal first aid kit.
A typical kit should include:
Each patrol should have a more complete first aid kit and each Tour Leader will also have a more complete kit.
6.15 MISCELLANEOUS GEAR
You may wish to include a camera, extra film, a light book to read, a star chart, playing cards, a lantern, rain fly/dining fly, sit pads, backpack cover, sewing kit, whistle, extra cord/rope, extra garbage bags, fishing pole, telescope, etc. However, all this weighs extra, and has to be carried, sometimes for miles uphill.
Radios, Walkmans, electronic games, fireworks, etc. should be left at home.
What is the difference between a national park and national monument?
National parks are created by the U.S. Congress to preserve a combination of
features including scenery, wildlife, and historical sites. National monuments
protect a monument which has been created by the U.S. President.
Grand Canyon National Park is a good example to show the difference between a park and a monument. In 1908, President Theodore Roosevelt created a national monument around the Grand Canyon to protect it. In 1919, Congress expanded the monument to a park.
In 2000, there were 54 national parks and 73 national monuments in the United States. Examples of National Parks are the Great Smoky Mountains in Tennessee and North Carolina, Haleakala in Hawaii, and the Everglades in Florida. Whereas, the Statue of Liberty is a National Monument.